former congressman gephart missouri and trent lot from mississippi who have been paid lobists in the past for general electric. how profitable is it to lobby? the sad reality best investment that a corporation can make. in fact, it can be a lot more profitable than buying or creating a new service or a new good. it was a study done a couple of years ago by two professors at university of kansas. you know what they found? they found that for every. 2004. those companies return ared $220 for their investment. that amounts to a 22,000% return on investments where else you can make that kind of profit in america today? >> sean: 22,000% return on investment. >> yeah. >> sean: that's pretty amazing. 30 major corporations now spend more money on lobbists than they pay in federal taxes. they didn't pay a dime, right? >> that's general electric had a lot of lobbying, government money for green energy. they got tax credits but they spend a lot of time time carving out things in the tax code that benefits specifically them. i'm not somebody who wants people to pay really high taxes. but the rea